How much help do you need?

John 15 verse 1-8. "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8 This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

"Since you can do nothing how much help do you need?  Apart from me you can do nothing. When Jesus says nothing he literally means nothing. Jesus doesn't divide life into the sacred and the secular, this you can do and this you need me for. He's not just talking about spiritual fruit, ministry, spiritual gifts. He's talking about the whole of life, your very existence. Everything in your life, from your next breath, idea, capacity to do your job, love your kids, your husband or wife, and the community etc. Everything is sustained, maintained and kept alive and in motion by Jesus.

Jesus says "I am the vine". That’s Jesus’ identity statement, all life, strength, capacity flows from Him. That’s who I am in this relationship. We don't provide Him with capacity, strength, or ability. The believers identity is to be a branch. Life flows from Him to us. We get to display the fruit of our connection.

Jesus says I have chosen you to bear fruit. The branches do not provide anything. Everything begins in His initiative. It’s not our job to fix ourselves, DIY morality, self modification, white knuckles. Jesus is the source of all life and fruitfulness. All change, transformation flows from Him to us.

John 15 is not about salvation but about fruit bearing. Jesus is describing the kind of attachment and relationship we are invited to enjoy. He is faithful, He won’t let go. He always remains. But we are not passive and powerless in this relationship. So He asks us a genuine question. He won’t control us. He has chosen us and in return we get to choose him back, we are invited to want and desire connection, 'if you remain in me", remaining, abiding, resting, trusting, delighting, making our home in Him, these are all things we get to choose and prioritise.  Life is flowing from His side, but we get to choose whether or not we want to receive it and and enjoy that life by living relationally, dependant, and trusting. Christianity is not the theory of relationship, the analysis of connection. But the actual enjoyment of it.

For more resources to encourage Intimacy, connection and trust in Father God please download the Dream Revolution smartphone App by clicking the link.

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Jamie Lee, 03/06/2018
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Welcome! Whether you've just moved to the area, or have lived here all your life, we hope our website helps you to find out everything you want to know about our Church.

 

Some key information about the church...

 

Where & when does the church meet?

The church meets every Sunday at 11:00 am for our Sunday Service. There is plenty of free parking around the CCK building. We are walking distance from Plumstead Train station and local buses. It’s good to get to the meeting 15 minutes early to enjoy a fresh cup of coffee before the service starts.

We meet at the church building in the middle of Plumstead

The address is:

46 Lakedale Road
Plumstead
London
SE18 1PS

You can see a map on our contact us page.

 

What should I expect when I visit the church?

You will receive a very warm welcome particularly from our Welcome Team who will be able to answer your questions and direct you to where you need to go.

Sunday is special because it’s the main opportunity in the week for the whole church family to gather, worship God, enjoy his manifest presence together, minister to one-another, receive encouragement and exhortation from God’s word and be refreshed by God’s Spirit and one-another’s friendship and support.

There will be approximately 45 mins of singing with opportunity for church members to pray, prophesy or read a passage from the bible. After the notices there will be a preach, we take time to understand the bible’s message and how this can teach us about God, about ourselves, about the world that we live in and about what authentic Christian lifestyle looks like in practice. At the end of the preach there is always a chance to respond.

Tea, coffee and biscuits are served after the service where there is plenty of time to meet new people and ask more questions.

 

What happens to the kids at church?

As a family church we are thrilled to have people of all ages involved in our Sunday morning meetings. Typically, after worshiping together for 30 minutes or so, the children and young people will leave for their own activities.

We have a fantastic programme for the kids at the Church for ages 0–14. Children stay with their parents at the start of the service as we worship (sing songs!) together for the first part of the morning. Someone will announce when the children need to go to their programme.

For more information about what happens in the children's work please visit the relevant age groups for you under church life.

Is there a dress code?

No! Please just be yourself and come dressed in your 'normal' clothes.

 

Will I have to join in?

Not at all!
You are free to simply observe or participate as much as feels comfortable for you.

 

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